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MINUTES OF THE EDTC MEETING HELD ON SEPTEMBER 10TH 2010 IN PRAGUE, CZECH REPUBLIC

The meeting was held at the Czech Chamber of Commerce (Hospodarska komora CR).

Those present:

Name:

Representing:

Note:

Claus Mayer

Germany

Chairman

Jurg Wendling

Switzerland

Vice Chairman

Pasquale Longobardi

Italy

Member Executive Board

Jane Bugler

IMCA

Member Executive Board

Jørn Ryberg

Sweden (Industry)

Member Executive Board

OC Andersen

Norway

Secretary/Treasurer

Roswitha Prohaska

Austria (Medical)

 

Marc van der Esch

Belgium (Industry)

 

Petr Andrt

Czech Republic (Industry)

 

Pavel Macura

Czech Republic (Medical)

 

Palle Kristensen

Denmark (Government)

 

K-H. Andreasen

Denmark (Industry)

 

Morten Mandrup

Denmark (Industry)

Replacing K-H. Andreasen

Eric Albier

France (Government)

For Paul Gavarry

Jean Lelivere

France (Industry)

 

Frank Werner

Germany (Union)

 

Wolfgang Forster

Germany (Medical)

 

Leo Lagarde

The Netherlands (Industry)

 

Olav Hauso

Norway (Government)

 

Leif Johansen

Norway (Union)

 

Martin Heer

Norway (Medical)

For Alf O. Brubakk

Grzegorz Bernaciak

Poland (Industry)

 

Carlos Barosa

Portugal (Medical)

 

Mats Hagberg

Sweden (Medical)

 

Martin Ruegger

Switzerland (Government)

 

Murat Egi

Turkey

 

Akin Savas Toklu

Turkey

 

Chris Sherman

United Kingdom (Government)

 

Roger O’Kane

United Kingdom (Industry)

 

Alan Bax

IDSA

 

Deric Ellerby

EUF

 

Mark Caney

EUF

 

David G. Parkes

IDRF

 

Paul Butler

IDRF

 

 

Guests:

Representing:

Daniel Pokorny

Ministry of Agriculture, Director of  State Administration Department for Water and River Basin Management

Dag Wroldsen

IDSA

John Rabone

IDSA

Jaroslav Knotek

Czech Republic (Owner of Czech Diving Company)

Libuse Cyprien

Czech Republic (Diving Station Czech Republic)

Zuzana Andrtova

Czech Republic (Diving Station Czech Republic)

Apologies for absence had been received from:

Name:

Representing:

Roland Vanden Eede

Belgium (Medical)

Erling Fihl Rasmussen

Denmark (Industry)

Adolfo Magrin

Italy (Industry)

R.A. van Hulst

The Netherlands (Medical)

Walter Maas

The Netherlands (Government)

Alf O. Brubakk

Norway (Medical)

Jacek Kot

Poland (Medical)

Staffan Littorin

Sweden (Government)

Frantisek Novomesky

Slovac Republic (Medical)

Urban Johansson

Sweden (Union)

Cengis Erenoglu

Turkey (Industry)

S.J. Watt

United Kingdom (Medical)

Alessandro Marroni

DAN Europe

 

1.             WELCOME, SECURITY AND OPENING ADDRESS

A presentation of the building security arrangements, escape ways and mustering location in the event of fire was made.

The Chairman then thanked the principle host Petr Andrt and his daughters and able assistants Zuzana Andrtova and Libuse Cyprien for hosting the meeting and for the excellent arrangements the previous evening. A special thank was extended to the Prague Chamber of Commerce for providing use of their facilities and to Petr Zabransky for assisting with the meeting logistics arrangements.

Mr. Daniel Pokorny, Director of State Administration Department for Water and River Basin Management of the of the Czech Ministry of Agriculture welcomed the EDTC members to the Czech Republic hoping that the members would have a pleasant stay in the Czech Republic and that the meeting would be successful.   

2.      APPOLOGIES

Apologies had been received as stated above.

3.      APPROVALS OF MINUTES FROM THE COPENHAGEN MEETING

No comments had been received to Minutes from the Copenhagen meeting and the Minutes were consequently approved as submitted.

4.      MEMBERSHIP

The Secretary presented the following changes to the membership since the last meeting:

Resignations:

·         Thomas Nygaard Andersen, Denmark (Industry)

New members:

·         Roswitha Prohaska, Austria (Medical),

·         Frantisek Novomesky, Slovac Republic (Medical),

·         Franz Hattan, Switzerland (Industry),

·         Grzegor Bernaciak, Poland (Industry)

The Danish delegation presented Morten Mandrup as the Danish industry representative replacing Thomas Nygaard Andersen. This nomination was accepted by the membership.

5.      ACTIONS FROM PREVIOUS MEETINGS

The following actions were recorded from previous meetings. Status of those is as follows:

Ref:

Action:

Status:

2005

Revision of Safety Guidelines.

See separate item on the agenda.

2005

Members profile

The Secretary advised that up to now only about 15 profiles had been received and urgent members to complete the templates issued. Those that had lost or not received the template could request another copy.

2006

Workshop in Luxemburg 2010

See status report under item 7 of the Minutes.

2008

Invitation to ECHM

ECHM have now nominated a representative and he will be invited to meetings and receive any communication issued by EDTC.

2008

Cooperation with ECHM on Standards

Work is continuing as reported by the Medical Subcommittee.

2009

Members not responding

Have received some feedback and new addresses, but still no response from some members.

              The Secretary also reported that the new layout of the EDTC Internet page has been completed and is now live. The members are invited to review the website and pass any comments that they may have to the Secretary.

              Design and update of the website have been carried out by Dr. Akin Toklu and the Secretary asked the members to join him in congratulation Dr Toklu with an excellent job.

6               EDTC WORKSHOP 2010

See Chairman Report                                                   

7               CHAIRMAN’S REPORT

The Chairman reported that he have now received diving regulations from some 14 member countries, but are still missing some. Members representing countries that still have not submitted their regulations are invited to do so to the Chairman or the Secretary (or both).

He also advised that attempt to have a meeting with Mrs. Angelilli of the European Union with regards to the planned EDTC conference had not been successful to date, but that a meeting had now been arranged for October 29th in Rome. (Post meeting note: Meeting held November 5th attended by Claus Mayer, Pasquale Longobardi, Esentato Giovanni and OC Andersen. A favourable response was received but a follow-up meeting is probably necessary in order to make detailed arrangements).

The plan is consequently still on for a conference late in 2011 in Brussels. The main focus of the conference will be free movement of diving personnel across Europe with particular emphasis on training and certification requirements.

8               REPORT FROM THE CHAIRMAN OF THE MEDICAL SUBCOMMITTEE

The Medical Subcommittee of the EDTC have had no meeting since the last EDTC meeting. In one week however most of the doctors will participate in the European Underwater and Hyperbaric Medicine Congress in Istanbul and we will have a meeting there. However there is some progress that might be the key for a later consensus and revised educational standards.

As reported in the last time; the ECHM (European Committee for Hyperbaric Medicine) has appointed a Task Force Group in order to study the actual situation and this Task Force has designated Professor David Elliott, who volunteered, to write down the training objectives for a diving Medical Advisor in more detail than what we had in the last written standards. This work has been finished and the comments from all sides are very positive, so that we will probably obtain a consensus about that. It is very important for the whole EDTC-group to know the educational profile of a future diving Medical Advisor. As soon as the group has studied the details they will communicate this to the EDTC members.

As our aim is free movement of diving medical advisors and mutual recognition between the European countries, a standardised and credible final assessment is necessary. This is one of the points we are actually discussing and it seems that the so-called "Pisa-Initiative", will bring us a possibility to do a web-based assessment in various countries but with the same pool of questions and the same criteria for pass or fail. The Pisa-Initiative has previously been sent to all the EDTC-members. It is a plan in order to coordinate the education in diving medicine world-wide, including South-Africa, America, Australia and South East Asia, where a great part of offshore diving work is performed.

We are also aware that to get some practical experience and skills in diving medicine is not easy as long as a young doctor is a trainee. Therefore on the job learning like in a hospital will not be easily achievable and we are looking forward to have a practical skill module offered by the Marseille University and INPP, the French National Diving Training School, coordinated by Dr. Marc Borgnetta, the French Medical Delegate. This will enable doctors to obtain trained in decision making with simulated cases and on-site in real heavy diving equipment and together with professionals.

9               REPORT FROM THE NATIONAL REGULATIONS PROJECT

10           NATIONAL REPORTS

Please note that some of the presentations referred to below have been attached to this Minute.

a)             Austria (Roswitha Prohaska)

Dr. Roswitha Prohaska – President of Austrian Society for Diving and Hyperbaric Medicine (ÖGTH) gave the following report on the current situation with regards to working divers and compressed air work:

ÖGTH has begun a close cooperation with the Austrian Ministry of Labour in certifying Diving Medical Advisors (for working divers and compressed air workers) according to Austrian regulations. The ministry has acknowledged ÖGTH´s competency in diving and hyperbaric medicine education as national scientific body.

For a governmental certificate as “Advisor for working divers & recompressed air workers” the Ministry of Labour requests:

·      Licence to practise medicine in general,

·      Diploma “Diving Medicine Physician – Level IIa” issued by ÖGTH

     (Including actual competency in emergency medicine),

·      Subspecialty Occupational Medicine.

Based on this cooperation ÖGTH organizes a Workshop in Vienna, 12./13.Nov. 2010,   with the topic “Work under Pressure” – concerning today’s problems in professional diving and compressed air work with participants from D, CH and A.

ÖGTH also have good contact with the new Medical Director of Occupational Medicine of University of Vienna, Prof. Dr. Jasminka Godnic-Cvar. She is interested in cooperation with ÖGTH concerning diving- and hyperbaric medicine.

Though the Ministry Austria has now no financial and personal resources to join the EDTC, Dr. Huber will be copied on all information about EDTC from me, so she can give input from the Austrian Government.

b)            Czech Republic (Pavel Macura)

Diving in the Czech Republic has come a long way since the velvet revolution. Commercial diving was accepted in law as an independent (free) business in 1989. Unfortunately many divers and their Clients misconstrued this believing that everyone could work under water even though commercial diving was always classified as an activity with a risk in the Czech Republic, and that consequently legal requirements applied.  

After a few serious accidents and fatalities had occurred caused by lack of professional training and inadequate equipment initiatives were taken in 1993 to establish the Association of Commercial Divers Czech Republic, of which Diving Station CR was one of the founding members.

The goal of the association was to establish training and safety standards comparable or equal to other European countries in order to improve legislation and prevent accidents.

The same year the Ministry of Education CR gave accreditation to the association to perform re-qualification training for DIVERS with the association of professional divers in charge of the practical part of the training.

Approximately 4.500 working hours under water is registered annually with personnel with many years of working experience in difficult condition, low visibility and cold water.

According to new government regulation, in which the Association of Commercial Divers participated in developing, personnel working under water need to be in good health and fully qualified for the work. This puts pressure on those companies employing personnel lacking such qualification, but not all companies are interested in a quality professional training.

It is with disappointment that the Ministry of Education later accredited another organisation to perform such re-qualification training, an organisation with no qualification or experience in commercial diving, nor equipment suitable for good quality training. As a result, now two years later the marked is facing persons offering diving services with qualifications standard when it comes to theory and practice.

Members of the Association of Commercial Divers are striving to increase safety and protecting member from health hazards organising regular training and emergency exercises. In the association’s projects emphasis is made on environmental protection by applying European Standards and a general increase of the quality of services by implementation of quality management system, safety at work and environmental protection.

The Association of Commercial Divers main goals are to obtain acceptance of a nationwide diver’s qualification standard with international significance.   

c)             Italy (Pasquale Longobardi)

Pasquale Longobardi gave a presentation of the Italian CEN Norm No. UNI 11366 (available at: uni.com) issued in June 2010. The work to develop the standard started in 2009 as reported on during the Ravenna meeting and was performed by members from the Italian diving industry under the auspices of UNI (Italian Standards Institute). The standard will be presented to the EU with a request for making it an International Standard. The UNI Standard is 99% common to the EDFTC, IMCA and the United Kingdom HSE standards. A briefing note about UNI, including a list of content of the standard has been appended to this minute.

National committees will, if the request is accepted and in due course be invited to participate in any such activities and that interested members should apply to their national Standards Committee for participation.

It was pointed out by several of the members that appropriate representation at the national Standards Committee could be a problem as many of the positions were already held by equipment manufacturers or representatives from institutions not particularly well connected with the diving contractors     

d)            Portugal (Carlos Barossa)

Portuguese professional diving national regulations are based on a law from January 1994.

There are now five Hyperbaric Services Centres with six Chambers in the country, but only two of them are officially recognised for dealing with professional divers. None of these have doctors with the speciality of Occupational Medicine employed, and only in one have doctors with knowledge off, and diving experience. However, there are doctors with both specialities available in Portugal (occupational medicine and diving and hyperbaric medicine).

In the last years attempts have been made to change the law in order to develop new diving regulations corresponding to the EDTC proposals. This resulted in the Portuguese government issuing instructions for the Portuguese Navy to propose a new law compatible with international regulations.

At that time, by recommendation of National Maritime Authority, the Navy Hospital and its HBO Service had to listen to my proposals before and during the elaboration of the new law, just to follow the EDTC proposals. However, nothing has happened yet.

There is presently no Portuguese Government Representative on the EDTC Committee, and I am afraid that the new law may not be in accordance with the EDTC Standard because the law will be developed exclusively by Portuguese Navy personnel. .

e)             Slovac Republic (Frantisek Novomesky)

Presentation withdrawn as the presenter’s flight was cancelled.

f)              Sweden (Jorn Ryberg)

Jorn Ryberg advised that 1993 Swedish HSE Rules are now out for referral. Changes are:

·         Better harmonisation with EU legislation,

·         The new rules are based on functional requirements instead of detailed requirements.

The new rules are expected to be finalised by the end of 2010.

He also reported that the Swedish Association of Diving Contractors (DIB) has status as a referral group for the Swedish Work Environment Authority. The aim of the association is to bring down overall hazards at work.

There have been no fatal occupational diving accidents in Sweden for many years, but he reported the death of a Swedish diver while performing work in German waters (related to installation of wind turbines).

Jorn went on to ask the question: Free movement (of divers) in Europe, a dream only and suggested that a work group be established with the aim and objective to bring overall harmonisation further. He suggested that Norway should take leadership of this work group.

It was pointed out that this is in line with the current regulation working group and that further actions on the subject could only be decided after the meeting with Mrs. Angelilli.

g)             Switzerland (Jurg Wendling)

Jurg Wendling reported on a case where a Swiss diver had received a medical examination by himself and went to Italy to work (in 2009). On arrival in Italy his medical examination was not recognised by the Italians. The case was solved with assistance from Pasquale Longobardi making a statement that the medical examination had been performed by an EDTC qualified doctor. Since then there as not been any similar problems.   

h)            Turkey (Murat Egi)

Murat Egi reported on the imitative by the Turkish Maritime Chamber of Commerce, Underwater Contractors and the University of Galatasaray for an initiative in lifelong education for divers and diving personnel all based on a survey conducted in March 2010. Consideration is being evaluated for a credit based training system regulated by the Turkish Chamber of Commerce.

Focus for the system will be frequent seminars and priority focuses on:

·         Health and Safety,

·         Emergency Management and

·         Emerging Technologies.

He also announced that a Turkish company has won a contract under the EU Eureka program for development of “Topside Probabilistic Dive Computer” providing leading indicators on commercial diving risks. This program is being run in cooperation with Norwegian partner DeepX (under support by Innovation Norge) and with service and consultancy provided by DAN Europe, Haut Ecole Henry Spaak (Belgium). The project is still seeking further partners. Additional information can be obtained from the EUREKA website:

http://www.eurekanetwork.org/project/-/id/5413.

Turkey (Akin Savas Toklu)

Akin Savas Toklu advised that Diving and Hyperbaric Medicine (DHM) is a speciality education approved by the Turkish Health Minister in 1989 and that a new law was issued in July 2009 specifying a 3 year training for becoming a DHM. The training includes rotation through departments of anaesthesia and reanimation, chest disease, chest surgery, endocrinology, metabolism (diabetes) and infectious diseases. The residents will also receive diving training during their specialisation.

Currently Turkey have 35 specialist practicing in DHM, 6 of which works as lecturer in universities. There are also 10 resident specialists in DHM.

Turkish law requires the managers of any private Hyperbaric Oxygen Treatment (HBO) to be a DHM. In Turkey there are currently 17 private HBO centres and a further 10 centres owned and operated by universities, the Health Ministry or the Turkish Navy. For location of these please refer to the attached power point presentation. 

i)               United Kingdom (Chris Sherman)

Chris Sherman advised that the economic situation is affecting all sectors in the UK, but that the following development is emerging:

·           Training schools are busy, but training is slowing down,

·           New build DSVs are now entering the market,

·           That there is an aging infrastructure (& personnel),

·           Offshore wind farm construction is active,

·           There are public spending cuts.

He also advised of the following fatal accidents in the UK involving diving personnel:

·           Offshore – Technician crushed by cursor while loosening bolts on top of bell (not recorded by HSE as a diving fatality, but included here as it is diving-related),

·           Inshore – Diver collapsed preparing to leave water after routine dive. Cause of death not yet established,

·           2 Recreational “at work” Scuba deaths.

Note: Investigations are ongoing into all 4 cases

He then continued by giving an update on Diver Training (attached) and advised of a serious incident where a diver was hospitalised with sever respiratory symptoms. This was identified as caused by fungus in his BCD. He also advised that DVIS 12 gives guidance on effective cleaning routines for such.

HSE Research Report 761 has been issued (Differential Pressure hazards).

DVIS 13 has been issued giving guidance on identifying hazards and reducing risks.

Further information is available as follows:

Diving Information Sheets (DVIS): www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/dveindx.htm

Research Reports: www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrhtm/index.htm

j)              IMCA (Jane Bugler)

Jane Bugler gave the following updates:

New IMCA Guidance issued since last meeting:

·           IMCA D044 – Guidance on isolation and intervention: Diver access to Subsea Systems,

·           Info note on the control of bell blow-down facility during saturation diving,

·           Info note on the periodic inspection of diver harnesses

The following IMCA Guidance is being updated:

·           DSAA – guidance on Diving systems assurance audit (D011 being finalised),

·           DESIGN -D023 & D024 being updated and being finalised,

·           Diving supervisors manual (IMCA D022) –  being finalised,

·           IMCA D045 - Safe use of electricity underwater (AODC 035) – document at printers.  Updated and extended to cover wider range of applications,

·           Acrylic plastic viewports – updated document being finalised,

·           Min quantities of gas required offshore (AODC 014) – breathing rates,

·           NURGOD (IMCA 034) – being updated to reflect NORSOK changes,

·           Oxy arc cutting operations – changing to underwater thermal cutting operations and include information on ‘swordfish’.  Draft under review,

·           High water jetting (AODC 049)

The following new guidance documents are being developed:

·           Guidance on hyperbaric evacuation systems,

·           Guidance for PLC based diving systems – supplement to D024.

She also advised that Diving Supervisor Scheme have been mutually recognised by:

·           ADAS - to be extended to LSTs,

·           DCBC – extended to bell diving supervisors,

·           South Africa DOL – new regulations now ready.  MOU being finalised.

And that trial of process for monitoring diver’s long term health is being run, including:

·           Collection of exposure data,

·           Medical questionnaire.

 

Other work performed by IMCA includes:

·           Review of competence tables for all diving personnel to include tasks,

·           Survey of number of divers working in each geographical region – information note issued,

·           Review of diver medic course syllabus,

·           Possible guidance on diving in temperature extremes – information from AP workshop to be used,

·           Guidance to marine contractors re undertaking diving operations on their vessels,

·           Guidance on the use of simulators in training and competence,

·           That a Database for Common Marine Inspection Documents (CMID) has been established and is available to member on internet under the following address:

www.imcacmid.com

She also advised that the IMCA Annual Marine & Diving Seminar 2010 would take place, 2010, Dubai, 23-24 November 2010 and that information’s is available under:

www.imca-int.com/events

k)            IDSA (Alan Bax)

IDSA is concerned with all divers, Inland, Inshore and Offshore, although we should remember that because of publicity & the vast amounts of money involved, offshore operations often overshadow all others and give a wrong impression of the mainstream inland/inshore activities which predominate in Europe, as in many other countries, and where there is a great deal of hard work and very much less money.

The vast majority of divers work inshore and provide the base of the pyramid which breeds the divers who later work offshore.  Inshore activities provide divers with a wide variety of work experience which would be difficult if not impossible to gain offshore.  It is therefore important for the Offshore Industry that inshore training is safe and of the highest quality.

To put this into perspective: There are only 3 schools in Europe running closed bell courses as opposed to well in excess of 25 running commercial SCUBA & surface supplied inshore and offshore courses - the exact number is difficult to obtain as not all countries have National Diver Training Programmes.

In order to progress the provision of a consistent quality of diver training, IDSA has created International Diver Training Standards from the consensus view of its member schools.  These standards which fit with the broad goal setting standards of EDTC – provide the meat for the EDTC skeleton.  Their adoption is gradually increasing, and their geographical spread is growing.  We have been pleased this year to welcome a very well equipped school from India as a full member, and several other applications are being processed.

However, the association is not just concerned with standards; it also serves as a valuable forum for the interchange of news & views between members, many of whom are the only commercial school in their country.  Current routes for this interchange are the newsletter - published in January and July, the IDSA Website, and the annual meeting in September/October.

The next annual meeting of IDSA will be held in Rotterdam October 13 to 15 and will be hosted by the world famous salvage company now known simply as ‘SMIT’.  To fit in with modern trends we are proposing to discuss in detail a major change to the membership structure, which will make a distinction between full member schools that are offshore training schools, that is, those teaching IDSA Levels 3 & 4, and inshore training schools teaching Levels 1 & 2.  We are also planning to review and update the work skills and methods of assessment contained in the IDSA Diver Training Standards.

Finally, we would be very pleased indeed to welcome members of EDTC, to our annual meeting, as IDSA considers that its programmes provide a simple solution for implementing the European Directive on the recognition of professional qualifications.

 

l)               International Diving Regulators Forum (IDRF)

IDRF is a voluntary group of diving regulators and certifying agencies. Members include Australia, Canada, France, Norway, South Africa and United Kingdom. IDRF is a Corresponding member of EDTC.

Members have agreed to work together toward mutual recognition and to identify and implement best practices in diver training with the object of harmonizing cross border diver training standards outside Europe.

How do IDRF work?

Country reports; this is how we discover and discuss best practices.

Each member reported on training and certification activity in their country and reported on accidents and incidents in their respective commercial diving industries. 

Current issues discussed in the IDRF Meeting:

·      Quality control of training in South Africa,

·      Presentation of the ADAS simulator for the training of supervisors,

·      Observation that the OGP diving sub- committee seems to be restricting attendance at their meetings to producers and diving contractors; IDRF members no longer attend,

·      Members reported on their continued interaction with IMCA; ADAS & DCBC are working with IMCA to develop a common database of questions for supervisor exams and SA is working towards IMCA acceptance of their supervisor training courses,

·      There was a brief discussion on the development of a competency standard of nitrox supervisors; DCBC will share their current standard with other members,

·      There was an extensive discussion on mutual recognition issues caused mainly by the different bottom time requirements for training of ADAS, DCBC & HSE,

·      Members agreed to publicize these differences openly so that prospective students would recognize the differences and understand their impact,

·      Members also discussed the accreditation of training outside the national jurisdiction of the accrediting agency and possible issues relating to quality control, 

·      Members agreed to consider the impact of these activities and to continue the discussions at our next meeting,

·      Members discussed the issues arising from delivering certificates to divers who are trained in languages other than English, 

·      ADAS is unique in identifying the language of training on the certificate,

·      Other members agreed to continue issuing certificates without the language of training notation.

Paul Butler of ADAS has volunteered to take over the duties of coordinator of IDRF for at least the next two years.

The next IDRF meeting will take place in Marseille, France in September 2011 in conjunction with the EDTC meeting.

IDRF drew attention to a diver certificate issued by a Moroccan Diving School which with assistance from INPP had provided training for trainee divers. The Moroccan school had subsequently issued training certificates “Calsse 2A” which is similar to the French “Classe 2A” and thus may be confused with the French certificate. The French Authorities however does not recognise the Moroccan certificate as it is delivered in only 5/6 weeks which is deemed too short for the trainees to obtains sufficient qualification and experience. 

11                     ELECTIONS

No nominations for the two positions on the EDTC Board due for election had been received, and as the present member (Jane Bugler and Pasquale Longobardi) had both agreed to continue on the Board their reappointment was confirmed by the members.

12                     ANY OTHER BUSINESS

There were no discussion under and other business.

13                     NEXT MEETING

The French delegation advised that they would be hosting the next EDTC meeting, to be held in Marseille, France on September 16th 2011.

 

 


 

 

 

 
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